I would like to think about a non-chat form of Keichobot
/nishio/kei.iconWhat would you like to see happen in this conversation?
/nishio/human.iconI would like to think about a non-chat form of Keichobot
/nishio/kei.iconWhat kind of "Keichobot" is this "Keichobot"?
/nishio/human.iconIt was originally called a chat system to encourage verbalization, but some users used it for Scrapbox instead of chat, which made me think that it could be a non-chat system.
/nishio/kei.iconWhat kind of "chat" is that "chat"?
/nishio/human.iconWhile Kozaneba is called "digital stationery for organizing thoughts," this one is a chatbot for "drawing out thoughts.
/nishio/kei.iconIs there anything else about that "chat"?
/nishio/human.iconI was originally positive about chat because it has the effect of repeatedly interacting with programs and humans to extract information from humans, or to focus humans on a single subject for a certain period of time, but there are some disadvantages, so we should explore other forms of chat as well.
/nishio/kei.iconWhere is this "chat" located?
/nishio/human.iconThe image of being in front of the user and interacting with him or her. The new form is not like that.
/nishio/kei.icon
I was originally positive about chat because it has the effect of repeatedly interacting with programs and humans to extract information from humans, or to focus humans on a single subject for a certain period of time, but there are some disadvantages, so we should explore other forms of chat as well.
Where is this "chat" located?
/nishio/human.iconThe current chat is like going to talk to someone when you have a purpose and saying, "I have this kind of consultation...". The new form is not like that, but rather, the bot talks to you, or when you reload your timeline in your spare time, the bot tweets there.
/nishio/kei.iconWhat does that "chat" look like?
/nishio/human.iconFace-to-face communication with physical restraints
/nishio/kei.icon
The current chat is like going to talk to someone when you have a purpose and saying, "I have this kind of consultation..." The new form is not like that. The new form is not like that, but the bot side talks to you, or when you reload your timeline in your free time, the bot is tweeting there.
How do you know about this "chat"?
/nishio/human.iconSomehow made it into a form of chat, no deep meaning.
/nishio/kei.iconWhat is its "shape"?
/nishio/human.iconThe way communication should be. Different forms of what people want from bots?
/nishio/kei.iconWhat is it that you value?
/nishio/human.iconThe fact that it is a form of chat has no deep meaning, and it is not good if we get caught up in it and overlook the benefits of the new form. In short, I feel that the value lies in the fact that software facilitates intellectual production, and that the means should not be limited to chat.
/nishio/kei.iconWhere does this "chat" come from?
/nishio/human.iconThis is rather clear, and it is obvious that reworking ELIZA with today's technology would create value, because even the technology of the time was valuable.
/nishio/kei.icon
The fact that it is a form of chat has no deep meaning, and it is not good if we get caught up in it and overlook the benefits of the new form. In short, I feel that the value of the software is that it encourages intellectual production, and that the means should not be limited to chat.
What do you hope will happen regarding this "chat"?
/nishio/human.iconAs a chat, it seems to have stabilized in a rather certain ecological niche, and there is currently no opportunity to break the barriers. It would be nice if bots were forced to adapt to a different environment than chat, thereby creating new opportunities for evolution.
/nishio/kei.iconWhat needs to happen to the "chat" for that to happen?
/nishio/human.iconWe should stop chatting for once.
/nishio/kei.icon
The fact that it is a form of chat has no deep meaning, and it is not good if we get caught up in it and overlook the benefits of the new form. In short, I feel that the value of the software is that it encourages intellectual production, and that the means should not be limited to chat.
Is there anything else you can tell us about this "form"?
/nishio/human.iconTwitter bots that push notifications, Twitter bots that tweet irrespective of humans, Twitter bots that read multiple people's Scrapboxes and tweet their thoughts, services that return questions when you pass articles such as Scrapbox, and task decomposition support bots for task management systems
/nishio/kei.iconWhat is the relationship between this "bot" and "chat"?
/nishio/human.iconThey've been tightly coupled, but they should be disconnected.
/nishio/kei.icon
The fact that it is a form of chat has no deep meaning, and it is not good if we get caught up in it and overlook the benefits of the new form. In short, I feel that the value of the software is that it encourages intellectual production, and that the means should not be limited to chat.
Where does this "form" come from?
/nishio/human.iconThere are things that humans want others to do to them, but when actual humans do them, they are not done unless both parties benefit, and there are forms of communication that are possible because one party is a bot.
/nishio/kei.iconWhat is the relationship between its "form" and "chat"?
/nishio/human.iconFor example, in a chat, I can start a chat because I want to go for a walk now, without the other person's convenience, and I can take as much time as I want to reply, or I can go into a convenience store, but the bot will reply without making the human wait.
/nishio/kei.iconIs that "bot" the same as "chat"? Is it different?
/nishio/human.iconRight now, a bot is just a program to deal with such chats, but essentially it is a system that can read a coherent text, find keywords, and produce output based on that information.
/nishio/kei.iconWhat happens to the "chat" when its a "bot"?
/nishio/human.iconChat has transformed from a tool for individuals to communicate as equals to a stationery tool that can be used by one person to organize thoughts.
/nishio/kei.icon
Right now, a bot is just a program to deal with that kind of chat, but essentially it is a system that can read a coherent text, find keywords, and output based on that information.
What kind of "bot" is this "bot"?
/nishio/human.iconPrograms that interact with the environment through input and output
/nishio/kei.icon
Right now, a bot is just a program to deal with that kind of chat, but essentially it is a system that can read a coherent text, find keywords, and output based on that information.
Is there anything else you can tell us about this "bot"?
/nishio/human.iconRight now they are moving passively in response to stimuli from the user or losing their memory every time, but maybe it would be better if they move actively or keep their memory?
/nishio/kei.icon
Right now, a bot is just a program to deal with that kind of chat, but essentially it is a system that can read a coherent text, find keywords, and output based on that information.
Where is this "bot" located?
/nishio/human.iconRight now I'm trapped in a chat system. I want to unleash it on the wider world.
/nishio/kei.icon
Right now, a bot is just a program to deal with that kind of chat, but essentially it is a system that can read a coherent text, find keywords, and output based on that information.
What does this "bot" look like?
/nishio/human.iconWell, you're human.
/nishio/kei.icon
Right now, a bot is just a program to deal with that kind of chat, but essentially it is a system that can read a coherent text, find keywords, and output based on that information.
Where do these "bots" come from?
/nishio/human.iconHumans developed intelligence because using intelligence was advantageous for reproduction, and that "advantage" was not limited to objective things like obtaining food, but also included subjective things like winning the appreciation of stakeholders necessary for reproduction
/nishio/kei.icon
Right now, a bot is just a program to deal with that kind of chat, but essentially it is a system that can read a coherent text, find keywords, and output based on that information.
How do you know these "bots"?
/nishio/human.iconWe don't know, we don't understand, stupid people can't understand what the end result will be, and in a development process where stupid people try to understand and control the process, the ceiling is set by the creator's ability, so we have to let go of that.
/nishio/kei.icon
Right now, a bot is just a program to deal with that kind of chat, but essentially it is a system that can read a coherent text, find keywords, and output based on that information.
What do you hope will happen regarding this "bot"?
/nishio/human.iconI hope it evolves into a form that humans never anticipated.
/nishio/kei.iconWhat needs to happen to the "bot" for that to happen?
/nishio/human.iconIt needs to change by contingency, not by human design of how to change it.
/nishio/kei.iconAs for "bots," can they do it?
/nishio/human.iconI'd have to design it in such a way that it could be changed by contingencies.
/nishio/kei.icon
I hope it evolves into a form that humans never expected.
How do you know this "form"?
/nishio/human.iconBecause you don't expect it, after it changes, you look at it and say, "Oh, I see, this is the way it's supposed to look.
/nishio/kei.iconIs that "form" the same as "chat"? Is it different?
/nishio/human.iconApparently not.
/nishio/kei.icon
Because you don't expect it, you see it after it changes and say, "Oh, I see, this is the way it's supposed to look.
What does this "shape" look like?
/nishio/human.iconWell, it's an organism, and we'll know after it changes if it can adapt to its environment.
/nishio/kei.icon
Because you don't expect it, you see it after it changes and say, "Oh, I see, this is the way it's supposed to look.
What would you like to see happen with respect to this "form"?
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